Imperial Russian Badge

Alfred · 07-11-2004, 02:23 PM

Hello,

can somebody identify these russian badge. It has no marks or stamps.
Could these be a fake?

regards
Andreas

Alfred · 07-11-2004, 02:24 PM

and here is the reverse.

Alfred · 07-11-2004, 02:34 PM

What do you think about this badge. The mark in the left corner is not sharp and unclear.

Alfred · 07-11-2004, 02:36 PM

and averse

Esteban_cool · 07-11-2004, 03:06 PM

Alfred:
Ask Rusty (HuliganRS) about the badge. He´ll give you a good opinion.

Eugene · 07-11-2004, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

Hello,

can somebody identify these russian badge. It has no marks or stamps.
Could these be a fake?

regards
Andreas

The first one is "praporschik school" badge. Officers courses for those who graduated civil colleage.
The second one is Russian Imperial Doctor Badge for those who graduated non military medical academy.
Both badges look original to me. They are not very rare.

***Nota Bene*** · 07-11-2004, 07:42 PM

Eugene,

Imperial badges have never been my forte, but I am not so sure about the first one. "Praporshik" schools badges would normally have school's initials in stead of the St. George. This one doesn't, much like the Provisional Government badges, but the Eagle still wears the crown. Looks like an unusual variation, or am I wrong?

Alexei

j h beers · 07-12-2004, 01:47 PM

For what it's worth, based on fifteen years of collecting imperial badges, I would not be interested in the second badge at all. Its construction reminds me too much of older, early "upper-end" copies of imperial badges that were produced either just before or at the time of the Soviet Union's demise. On the other hand, the diamond shaped graduation badge might be real, but even for war-time manufacture the enamel - at least in the photo - seems too sloppy.

For the record, I've wanted to buy one of the "officer-commissioning-badges-for-classes-made-up-of college-graduates" for over ten years and I've never seen one for sale at a show in the NYC / Phila. area... My experience has been that they are reasonably tough to locate.

Jim

Eugene · 07-14-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nota Bene

Eugene,

Imperial badges have never been my forte, but I am not so sure about the first one. "Praporshik" schools badges would normally have school's initials in stead of the St. George. This one doesn't, much like the Provisional Government badges, but the Eagle still wears the crown. Looks like an unusual variation, or am I wrong?

Alexei

Alexei,
As far as I know even Provisin Government school had initials. This is definately imperial time badge and it's definately School of Ensigns (praporshchik). No other badges had such configuration. I can not tell why it has St. George instead of school initial. I never saw such variation either. Maybe, the person wanted for some reason to hide the name of the school and replaced initials with the St. George.
Eugene

***Nota Bene*** · 07-14-2004, 07:48 PM

Eugene,

My point exactly - an interesting piece.

I have seen a Provisional Government (Eagle without the royal simbols) Praporshik school badge without the initials. Could be a late issue, who knows.

Alexei

07-11-2004, 03:06 PM	#5
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 23 Posts: 1,556	Alfred: Ask Rusty (HuliganRS) about the badge. He´ll give you a good opinion. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won´t get fooled again

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07-11-2004, 07:42 PM	#7
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 8,376	Eugene, Imperial badges have never been my forte, but I am not so sure about the first one. "Praporshik" schools badges would normally have school's initials in stead of the St. George. This one doesn't, much like the Provisional Government badges, but the Eagle still wears the crown. Looks like an unusual variation, or am I wrong? Alexei

07-12-2004, 01:47 PM	#8
j h beers Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wayne, PA Posts: 33	For what it's worth, based on fifteen years of collecting imperial badges, I would not be interested in the second badge at all. Its construction reminds me too much of older, early "upper-end" copies of imperial badges that were produced either just before or at the time of the Soviet Union's demise. On the other hand, the diamond shaped graduation badge might be real, but even for war-time manufacture the enamel - at least in the photo - seems too sloppy. For the record, I've wanted to buy one of the "officer-commissioning-badges-for-classes-made-up-of college-graduates" for over ten years and I've never seen one for sale at a show in the NYC / Phila. area... My experience has been that they are reasonably tough to locate. Jim

07-14-2004, 07:48 PM	#10
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 8,376	Eugene, My point exactly - an interesting piece. I have seen a Provisional Government (Eagle without the royal simbols) Praporshik school badge without the initials. Could be a late issue, who knows. Alexei

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