Makers marks, Numbers & Letters

[Christophe]

Different numbers have been seen on the reverse of different awards.

See this thread :

strange nr in the ogpw2- class reverse

Does a "correspondance" chart of these makers marks exist ? Can we identify them, as it is, for example, the case for the German awards ?

Many thanks.

Ch.

[Taz]

Christophe,
This is certainly an interesting topic, but after having an initial look through the web nothing turned up on a list that has been compilied on this subject.
And I know of no list which gives the number on the reverse a link to a makers name.
We could start by making our own list of numbers that have been sighted on our awards. Maybe in the future we can place a name to the number.
For example maker number 7 seems to have been responsible for OGPW's

Eddie.

Sighted Number - Mint - Award - s/n.


1 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T2 s/n 9329
3 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T2 ( Above screwpost) s/n 9558
5 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 5559
5 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 13528
5 - монетный Двор ? - BOH screwback,T2V1 (screwpost) s/n 2947
7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 1st Class, 1st type s/n 13197
7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 48010
7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 56855
7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 70134
7 - монетный Двор - Order of Suworow 3rd Class
7 - монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T1, s/n 1608
7 - монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labor, s/n 182087
8 - монетный Двор -OGPW 2nd Class s/n 47670
8 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 13023
8 - монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T2, s/n 5038.
91 - монетный Двор - Order of Suworow 1st Class, 1st type.

Sighted Letter - Mint - Award - s/n.

a? --------монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd,s/n 3779
ba -------- мондвор -------- Red Banner of Labour s/n 7653
D** -------монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T1, s/n 2133
DO-------- мондвор?--------Order of the Badge of Honor T2V1, s/n 3798
GO -------- мондвор--------Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 10832
GR(C) -----монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 10275
GR(C) -----монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 6137.
IK(C)Raised, мондвор-------- Red Banner RSFSR, s/n 13649.
IK(C)Raised, мондвор-------- Red Banner RSFSR, s/n 13656.
K ----------монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, T2V3, s/n 10275.
KE ---------монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 7603.
KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V2, SN 4285.
KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, SN 4902.
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 5126.
KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V2, SN 5240.
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 6096.
K P (sep) -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V3, s/n 6526.
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 8116.
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 8421.
KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, SN 11668.
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 12475
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 12597
KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 14134.
KP** ----- мондвор ---------Order of the Badge of Honor, (several 14XXX s/n range)
L ----------монетный Двор --OGPW 2nd, 1st type, V3.
N ----------монетный Двор --OPW 1st, T1 s/n ????
O*---------мондвор ---------Red Star T2, s/n 6976
O*---------мондвор--------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, SN 11130
O* -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, s/n 11419
PO**------монетный Двор -- Red Banner of Labour,T2V2, s/n 9001
TP -------- мондвор --------- Red Banner of Labour, T2V1, SN 4077.
X ----------монетный Двор --Khmelnitsky, 2nd, V1. s/n 90
X ----------монетный Двор --OPW 1st s/n 34490
X ----------монетный Двор --OPW 2nd s/n 47593
Y** -------монетный Двор --OPW 2nd s/n 101278

PLEASE NOTE:

* possibly a zero

** In Cryillic

Both Number and Letter or a combination of both

1 & X ----------монетный Двор -- OPW 1st, s/n 32634
1 - is stamped,
X - looks like it's engraved

1,AK & 12 - BOH screwback - s/n unknown

N,T & 66 -------монетный Двор --OPW 1st, s/n unknown

Additional Info OPW

- Observed markings for OPW - all located on the handle of the gun on reverse: "X", "8", "0" (zero)

- OPW 2cl, screwback, marked "Ч" (letter) in mirror fashion (reversed), 4 mm from the screw at 8 o'clock, s/n 140174

- OPW with small mark "2", SN looks like 53936 (???)
with 3 parallel marks on the bottom.

- OPW 2nd, SN 337308 Also with 3 parallel marks on the bottom

Additional Info BOH

- BOH suspension type,marked on the inside: T?

- BOH suspension type,marked on the inside: H

- 6096 stamped at 6:00 position
- 8116 same
- 8421 same
- 11668 stamped at 7:00 position
- 12597 stamped at 6:00 position
- 12475 stamped at 7:00 position
- 14134 stamped at 6:00 position

[Art]

Eddie,

For the list, the award I was referencing also had number "7" from the Moscow Mint, but was a Order of Suvorov 3c. This sounds like an interesting topic.

Art

[Taz]

Art,

I've added your number to the list. Certainly very interesting. I wonder why some have makers marks and some not?

Eddie.

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Art

Eddie,

For the list, the award I was referencing also had number "7" from the Moscow Mint, but was a Order of Suvorov 3c. This sounds like an interesting topic.

Art

Art,
Maybe a silly question, but when you say Moscow mint did it have ммд on the reverse or монетный Двор?

Mints

гознак - Administration of the Production of Money or other valuable Documents, this agency printed award certificates for both honorary and meritorious decorations.

мондвор - contraction for mint.

монетный Двор - mint (for both Moscow and Leningrad)

ммд - Moscow mint.

ленинградский монетный Двор - Leningrad mint.


Eddie.

[Art]

Eddie,

It was монетный Двор.

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Art

Eddie,

It was монетный Двор.

Thanks Art,
It was just to ensure that the correct mint is in the list

Eddie.

[Christophe]

Eddie, Art,

Good beginning !!
Have any of us seen something helpful in books or reference literature ?
Other numbers already noticed ?

Ch.

[Taz]

Guys,

Notice that at the moment only OGPW's and Suworow's have numbers or letters. And they are all from монетный Двор

Is this the start of a pattern? Or just coincedence?
Surely this is bound to change.

BTW I'll edit all numbers and letters into post #2

Eddie.

[Alfred]

Here is a picture of an Order Badge of Honour with number 5 on the top of the screw thread. The Order has no mint mark. S/N is 2947.

greetings
Andreas