Orden Lenina / Orden Stalina - Page 2

***Art*** · 02-01-2005, 05:03 PM

Yes, Eugene or Alexei, perhaps we can buy a few from you...let us know availability and price.

***DougD*** · 02-01-2005, 06:37 PM

"Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed."

so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it.

DougD

***Art*** · 02-01-2005, 08:09 PM

Doug,

Take a look at this thread, it may answer part of your question. In a nutshell, they were apparently going to proceed with production after the prototype stage ( only a handful of prototypes were made ) only Stalin dies and with him, his cult of personality.

Order of Stalin

new world · 02-01-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougD

"Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed."

so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it.

DougD

Perhaps what he meant is that we'll never know which dealer had real prototype and which had a fake.

kameli · 02-02-2005, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tal Inbar

VERY nice book!

I am waiting to get one (Eugene? Alexei?)

Kameli, where did you get the pictures? could you please post more?

Tal

Tal,

I found the pictures of this interesting looking book from one russian dealer's site. I am also looking to get one.

Regards

Jussi-Pekka

IGOR · 02-12-2005, 04:56 PM

You can see this book here:http://shop.uuu.ru/?do=browse&schID=1&catID=5

***Art*** · 02-13-2005, 11:48 AM

Is there an English version of the site there?

***Tal Inbar*** · 02-13-2005, 01:02 PM

Art, you can always use the online translator...!

***desantnik*** · 02-26-2005, 09:20 AM

A very quality book, nicely done with lots of good information for Russian speakers. Much of the first-rate information is directly from the State and mint archives and museums.

The book asserts that there were only three types of screwback Lenins, the "Tractor", "Gold Head", and the "Platinum" and disregards McDaniel's "Silver Head" classification. He produces documentation between the Secretariat and Leningrad Mint complaining about the irregularity of appearance of produced Lenins. At the end of the day,there are still Silver Heads AND Gold Heads, but the author chose to group them into one classification, the "Gold Head".

I purchased the book today and it wasn't cheap - $60. Very expensive when you consider it's only about one order (Lenin) and a few pages dedicated to the Order of Stalin prototypes. I would recommend this book only for diehards (that being said, probably most of you reading this posting) or those that can afford several orders of Lenin.

***desantnik*** · 02-26-2005, 09:30 AM

Let me qualify my statements on the utility of the book. The color photos of the awards and their magnified images are beautiful and nicely done. The book also includes lots of peripheral material photos and textual information, BUT in my opinion the actual utility and value of the book plummets for those who are not Russian-language readers. Take that into account when purchasing the book.

02-01-2005, 05:03 PM	#11
*Art* Generalissimus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 3,076	Yes, Eugene or Alexei, perhaps we can buy a few from you...let us know availability and price. __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

02-01-2005, 06:37 PM	#12
*DougD* Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 35 Posts: 2,293	order of stalin "Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed." so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it. DougD

02-01-2005, 08:09 PM	#13
*Art* Generalissimus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 3,076	Doug, Take a look at this thread, it may answer part of your question. In a nutshell, they were apparently going to proceed with production after the prototype stage ( only a handful of prototypes were made ) only Stalin dies and with him, his cult of personality. Order of Stalin __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

02-13-2005, 11:48 AM	#17
*Art* Generalissimus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 3,076	Is there an English version of the site there? __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

02-13-2005, 01:02 PM	#18
*Tal Inbar* Marshal CCCP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 39 Posts: 5,058	Art, you can always use the online translator...! __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

02-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#16
IGOR New Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	You can see this book here:http://shop.uuu.ru/?do=browse&schID=1&catID=5

02-26-2005, 09:20 AM	#19
*desantnik* Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,132	A very quality book, nicely done with lots of good information for Russian speakers. Much of the first-rate information is directly from the State and mint archives and museums. The book asserts that there were only three types of screwback Lenins, the "Tractor", "Gold Head", and the "Platinum" and disregards McDaniel's "Silver Head" classification. He produces documentation between the Secretariat and Leningrad Mint complaining about the irregularity of appearance of produced Lenins. At the end of the day,there are still Silver Heads AND Gold Heads, but the author chose to group them into one classification, the "Gold Head". I purchased the book today and it wasn't cheap - $60. Very expensive when you consider it's only about one order (Lenin) and a few pages dedicated to the Order of Stalin prototypes. I would recommend this book only for diehards (that being said, probably most of you reading this posting) or those that can afford several orders of Lenin.

02-26-2005, 09:30 AM	#20
*desantnik* Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,132	Let me qualify my statements on the utility of the book. The color photos of the awards and their magnified images are beautiful and nicely done. The book also includes lots of peripheral material photos and textual information, BUT in my opinion the actual utility and value of the book plummets for those who are not Russian-language readers. Take that into account when purchasing the book.

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