Russian 1941 'issue' Propaganda EKI's??

Historian · 02-18-2008, 05:35 AM

Hi Guys,

Anyone know anything further about these Russian made 1941 German EKI's, which apparently had the inscription:

"FUR RAUB
AU
MORD"

(For Robbery and Murder)

I know a few were 'issued'/used, but does anyone know anything else, or where I could obtain a replica???

ATB,
Tom

***desantnik*** · 02-18-2008, 07:02 AM

Never heard of them. Have a picture or reference?

Historian · 02-18-2008, 07:16 AM

Here you go, sorry:

UQWozza · 02-18-2008, 07:50 AM

Does the date 1813 have something to do with the "motto".

This date was in the Napoleonic war e.g.

August 23: Battle of Grossbeeren - Prussians under Von Bulow repulse French

October 16: Battle of Leipzig (Napoleon vs Prussia, Austria and Russia).

What 1813 has to do with 1941 though is not clear. Perhaps both as dates of bloody invasions/battles?

Simon

Historian · 02-18-2008, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UQWozza

Does the date 1813 have something to do with the "motto".

This date was in the Napoleonic war e.g.

August 23: Battle of Grossbeeren - Prussians under Von Bulow repulse French

October 16: Battle of Leipzig (Napoleon vs Prussia, Austria and Russia).

What 1813 has to do with 1941 though is not clear. Perhaps both as dates of bloody invasions/battles?

Simon

1813 is the date on the back most Iron crosses (barring EKI's), it is to with the the Franco Prussian war I beleive, the date 1941 (which on an authentic EK should be 1939) is to do with the invasion of Russia, apparently this piece was made/used by Russia as anti-german propaganda???

Tom

Alfred · 02-18-2008, 01:07 PM

On the 10th march 1813 the first Iron cross was founded by the King of Prussia Friedrich Wilhelm III.

The other foundation dates are: 1870, 1914 und 1939.

regards
Andreas

02-18-2008, 05:35 AM	#1
Historian Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK, Kent Age: 22 Posts: 54	Russian 1941 'issue' Propaganda EKI's?? Hi Guys, Anyone know anything further about these Russian made 1941 German EKI's, which apparently had the inscription: "FUR RAUB AU MORD" (For Robbery and Murder) I know a few were 'issued'/used, but does anyone know anything else, or where I could obtain a replica??? ATB, Tom

02-18-2008, 07:50 AM	#4
UQWozza Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 217	Date on reverse Does the date 1813 have something to do with the "motto". This date was in the Napoleonic war e.g. August 23: Battle of Grossbeeren - Prussians under Von Bulow repulse French October 16: Battle of Leipzig (Napoleon vs Prussia, Austria and Russia). What 1813 has to do with 1941 though is not clear. Perhaps both as dates of bloody invasions/battles? Simon __________________ Stalin to Postyshev: "We give the Order of Lenin to any old shtter" Postyshev's cheerful reply: "The shtters are all approved by you!" From: Stalin - The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore Last edited by UQWozza; 02-18-2008 at 07:53 AM. Reason: Clarity

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*desantnik* Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,132	Never heard of them. Have a picture or reference?

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Alfred Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany, Cologne Posts: 828	On the 10th march 1813 the first Iron cross was founded by the King of Prussia Friedrich Wilhelm III. The other foundation dates are: 1870, 1914 und 1939. regards Andreas

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