Soviet Medal To A German Spy

[Nota Bene]

Christian,

I know about Markus Wolf, and I have read his book, but what does he have to do with Rudolf Weber? Besides I still can't explain why his award card has Merkulov signature and his personal stamp. He must have had something to do with NKVD.

Alexei

[Sergey Tamayev]

and Soviet awards, does anyone know if any of the surviving members of the Rote Kappelle received any Soviet medals? How about Sorge?

[CZ]

Alexei,

Rudolf Weber might have been in the "Gruppe Ulbricht" - as Misha Wolf - as a member of the KPD. The NKVD might have been responsible for these propaganda units with foreigners - who else? My humble theory.

Sergey,

Sorge got his HSU (post.) and about the members of the "Rote Kapelle" I have found no information and not all of them behaved "correctly" in the view of the NKVD.

Best regards

Christian

[Sergey Tamayev]

Christian,

Thanks for the reply. Any idea of what may have happened to Sorge's HSU?

Regards,
Sergey

[CZ]

Sergey,

Sorge's HSU might be at a sort of "KGB-Museum", because he was the most prominent spy in the history of the Soviet Union.

Usually when you get as a spy i.e. a Red Banner, you get the award at a secret place, you can touch it and then they take it away and the order is stored in the safe at the SU-embassy. These stories you can read in the books of John Le Carré & Co.

But ask at the next Russian Embassy close to you, that you are interestet to buy Sorge's Gold Star ...

Best regards

Christian Zulus

[W. C. Stump]

In the field of research, theories and speculation prove nothing. Facts and documented evidence is needed for any research to be considered truly worthwhile. Wild and off the wall unsupported theories cause more damage than good to any research than anything else. Respectfully, Mr. Zulus is full of it (unsupported theories and speculation).

[Nota Bene]

Christian,

I think there is weak point in your theory - you say MIGHT, which makes it just a speculation, not supported by facts.

Also would it surprise you to know that the "Rote Kapelle" never actually existed. There was an SS Zonderkommande Rote Kapelle (excuse my German), which was responsible for radio interseptions, and later the operation itself received a code name Rote Kaspelle. After the war irresponsible writers nicknamed Rote Kapelle several NKVD and GRU operations in Germany, which were never even connected with each other.

Alexei

[CZ]

Alexei,

your last posting seems a little bit strange to me:

a) If you want to delete all the "might"-postings, than Art's forum doesn't make sense anymore. I just posted what might be, you posted what might be and anyone posts what might be.

b) What you are trying to tell us about the "Rote Kapelle" and that it didn't exist at all is not correct. There was a SS-Sonderkommando for the "Rote Kapelle" and at the end - after a long and fruitful work for the Soviet Union - the SS actually destroyed the network. This was the point, where I said: "not all of them behaved "correctly" in the view of the NKVD", because the SS sent messages with the "Rote Kapelle" codes to Moscow. But this is really a point of discussion. I don't know, but is this now the "General Line" among the US-historians, to "proof", that the Soviets very too stupid to build up working spy-networks in WW II?

Best regards

Christian

[Nota Bene]

Christian,

I fail to see why would you consider my posting strange. I have never advocated deleting the "might-messages", and I have called your theory a speculation because I consider it unproven. If you don't like the term I take it back, let's say it's a theory lacking factual basis.

As for the Rotte Kapelle what I have said is a fact, and I can point you to at least several sources (all in Russian), including the recent GRU history by A. Kolpakidy and D. Prokhorov. There were several extensive NKVD and GRU networks at work in Europe, and none of them was called Rotte Kapelle. After the war some irresponsible researchers used this name for the Soviet spy network in general, not even realizing that it was comprised of multiple networks, not even connected with each other. As a matter of fact I find it a little upsetting that the name is still used.

Unfortunately I must agree with NKVD/GRU about some members of the RK not behaving "correctly". They started collaborating with the Nazi after being subjected to horrible tortures, but not too many of them. If I remember correctly Nazi had captured 8 antifascist radio teams and 6 of them were used in "radio games" with Moscow, which still doesn't mean they all were traitors. Just to give you an example, for many years it was considered, that Efremov/Ventsel team was working for the Nazi, and only recently it was discovered that Efremov was executed by the SS in 1943 after inhuman tortures. Ventsel started transmitting for the Nazi only after he got a message, that Moscow was aware of his arrest. Interestingly enough he managed to escape and lived to see the victory.

I don't understand how the "general line among the US-historians" could possibly apply to me.

Alexei

[W. C. Stump]

Originally posted by Christian Zulus
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My statement about relying on speculation and opinions is dangerous business for a true researcher, from Kentucky or from anywhere. You have a problem of throwing out unsupported statements, theories and speculation and get perturbed when challenged. As I said, you are full of it and it doesn't take a professor from the University of Vienna to figure what you are full of. Respectfully, please try to present DOCUMENTED FACTS and leave the theories at home.