Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals - Page 16

***Nota Bene*** · 07-27-2008, 12:02 PM

I would prefer to see some better pics if possible.

Alexei

Ruiz · 08-16-2008, 10:10 AM

Your opinion please.
Regards.

Ruiz · 08-16-2008, 10:17 AM

And this medal too.

Lapa · 08-16-2008, 11:25 AM

Ruiz,

For whatever reason, I don't overly like the first one with the soldered ring. The second one is OK.

Marc

Ruiz · 08-16-2008, 12:04 PM

Two scans more of the ring.

***Nota Bene*** · 08-16-2008, 04:35 PM

Ruiz,

I am with Marc about the second medal, and am unsure about the first one. Gut feeling says bad, but at least a 1200dpi scan is needed to be certain. I think it's the face - too round.

Alexei

Ruiz · 08-17-2008, 08:40 AM

Look this scans.

redstar · 08-28-2008, 01:00 AM

Gents,

Firstly, my apologies if i have put this in the wrong area. I've only been a member for a few days and am still working things out.

Recently I noticed a number of "defence of " medals with blank documentation for sale on ebay as "restrikes". They included odessa and sevastopol. The documents were signed by S Umalatova. After finding out who she is, I formed the view that they are fakes. What is the consensus? There seems to be some ambivalence about Umalatova orders (as opposed to medals) elsewhere in this forum.

Alan

Eryk · 08-28-2008, 02:30 AM

Never bothered to debate as I'm interested in WWII era items (and perhaps early Cold War if the item's right...

), and my view is simple. If it wasn't produced by the USSR then it's not a Soviet award. Given that the USSR ceased to exist the status of Umalatova items is obvious from my pov. Even if the item is ostensibly "for" WWII.

There are other views of things made post USSR I'm sure; catch up awards, jubilee medals, on and on. But if what you're interested in is the USSR then Umalatova ain't it.

On the flip side if what you're interested in are shiny bits, or even the sweep of history not limited to the USSR then Umalatova may have a place. They're more than tourist items; they represent a cultural part of Russia post USSR. COuld liken them to documents, flags, awards, etc from Confederate veterans groups after the US civil war. Are they really Civil War items? No, IMO. Are they "official" in any meaningful sense of USA official? Of course not. Are they historic? Sure, if you're interested in the social history of post Civil War culture.

Just my 2 cents.

Lapa · 08-28-2008, 08:30 AM

RedStar,

Umalatova awards have been discussed at length on this (and other) forum, so I won't get into that here. The "awards" such as the Defense of Odessa medal are not official mint strikes; they are what we simply refer to as fakes.

Marc

07-27-2008, 12:02 PM	#151
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 7,184	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals I would prefer to see some better pics if possible. Alexei __________________ "WARNING: Collecting can be addictive!!" - Nota Bene

08-16-2008, 11:25 AM	#154
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 47 Posts: 3,479	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals Ruiz, For whatever reason, I don't overly like the first one with the soldered ring. The second one is OK. Marc

08-16-2008, 04:35 PM	#156
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 7,184	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals Ruiz, I am with Marc about the second medal, and am unsure about the first one. Gut feeling says bad, but at least a 1200dpi scan is needed to be certain. I think it's the face - too round. Alexei __________________ "WARNING: Collecting can be addictive!!" - Nota Bene

08-28-2008, 01:00 AM	#158
redstar New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 12	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals Gents, Firstly, my apologies if i have put this in the wrong area. I've only been a member for a few days and am still working things out. Recently I noticed a number of "defence of " medals with blank documentation for sale on ebay as "restrikes". They included odessa and sevastopol. The documents were signed by S Umalatova. After finding out who she is, I formed the view that they are fakes. What is the consensus? There seems to be some ambivalence about Umalatova orders (as opposed to medals) elsewhere in this forum. Alan

08-28-2008, 02:30 AM	#159
Eryk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Portland, USA Posts: 211	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals Never bothered to debate as I'm interested in WWII era items (and perhaps early Cold War if the item's right... ), and my view is simple. If it wasn't produced by the USSR then it's not a Soviet award. Given that the USSR ceased to exist the status of Umalatova items is obvious from my pov. Even if the item is ostensibly "for" WWII. There are other views of things made post USSR I'm sure; catch up awards, jubilee medals, on and on. But if what you're interested in is the USSR then Umalatova ain't it. On the flip side if what you're interested in are shiny bits, or even the sweep of history not limited to the USSR then Umalatova may have a place. They're more than tourist items; they represent a cultural part of Russia post USSR. COuld liken them to documents, flags, awards, etc from Confederate veterans groups after the US civil war. Are they really Civil War items? No, IMO. Are they "official" in any meaningful sense of USA official? Of course not. Are they historic? Sure, if you're interested in the social history of post Civil War culture. Just my 2 cents. __________________ But the bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet withstanding go out to meet it. Thucydides

08-28-2008, 08:30 AM	#160
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 47 Posts: 3,479	Re: Fake "Defense of" Campaign Medals RedStar, Umalatova awards have been discussed at length on this (and other) forum, so I won't get into that here. The "awards" such as the Defense of Odessa medal are not official mint strikes; they are what we simply refer to as fakes. Marc

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