New Group

kiwiussr · 01-25-2010, 07:53 AM

I have been offered the following group, but would like to get the forums thoughts on the groups
I will post the photos in 3 posts

regards

kiwi

kiwiussr · 01-25-2010, 07:55 AM

second group of photos

kiwiussr · 01-25-2010, 07:57 AM

third group of photos

kiwiussr · 01-25-2010, 12:21 PM

more photos of the group

deValcourt · 01-25-2010, 07:07 PM

Well, the first one that is clearly a fake and makes me wary of many of the others is the OPW1, T1, V3 with no serial number and a strange yellow color of the gold where it was painted (see scratches on reverse). Based only on that, I would be suspect of the rest of the set, especially since the seller probably wants a princely sum for it. If he/she would put in one fake/copy, then where would the line be drawn?

Phillip

kiwiussr · 01-26-2010, 04:07 AM

hi Philip

Thats what I was thinking also the first ORB looks very dodgy as well, always like to get 2nd opinions on groups like this

cheers

kiwi

Alfred · 01-26-2010, 04:24 AM

Hello,

the two Red Banner look okay to me.

There is a serial numer on the OGPW 1st class. It is very slightly visible.

To me it looks like there are lead soldered relics on the reverse. Due to the many straches, it looks like the OGPW war converted to screwbach by the solder and than converted back. That would explain the relics of lead solder on the back and the scratches and maybe the slighlty serial number.

The strange gold colour reverse could be a lightening problem, as the colour on the front looks okay.

regards
Andreas

***UQWozza*** · 01-26-2010, 05:27 PM

I would have expected that someone who went to effort of putting their anniversary and campaign medals on these multiple suspensions that they:

1. Put their VoG in the set instead of keeping it separate.

2. At least put their "war" medals before the anniversary ones. At present it is a bit of a dog's breakfast! They are seriously out of order.

It may just be the lighting for the picture but the "Prague" looks odd to me.

Simon

Eryk · 01-26-2010, 06:58 PM

No opinion to share on the authenticity of any individual award, but an observation. For something so obviously high priced it seems like a good investment as a prospective buyer to spend only a few dollars to get the award card for the individual. Don't really need anything else at this point, as it will verify (or at least give a glimpse into) the authenticity of the group as a whole. (The glimpse refers to sometimes even the archives have typos and inaccuracies.

)

As a seller it seems an obvious move as well - get the verification and add it to the sales pitch, then just jack up the price that much.

Auke · 01-26-2010, 08:47 PM

Unfortunately the Nevsky is missing from the group...

01-25-2010, 07:07 PM	#5
deValcourt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana USA Posts: 1,234	Re: New Group Well, the first one that is clearly a fake and makes me wary of many of the others is the OPW1, T1, V3 with no serial number and a strange yellow color of the gold where it was painted (see scratches on reverse). Based only on that, I would be suspect of the rest of the set, especially since the seller probably wants a princely sum for it. If he/she would put in one fake/copy, then where would the line be drawn? Phillip __________________ P.

01-26-2010, 04:07 AM	#6
kiwiussr Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: southampton Age: 43 Posts: 234	Re: New Group hi Philip Thats what I was thinking also the first ORB looks very dodgy as well, always like to get 2nd opinions on groups like this cheers kiwi

01-26-2010, 04:24 AM	#7
Alfred Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany, Cologne Posts: 1,204	Re: New Group Hello, the two Red Banner look okay to me. There is a serial numer on the OGPW 1st class. It is very slightly visible. To me it looks like there are lead soldered relics on the reverse. Due to the many straches, it looks like the OGPW war converted to screwbach by the solder and than converted back. That would explain the relics of lead solder on the back and the scratches and maybe the slighlty serial number. The strange gold colour reverse could be a lightening problem, as the colour on the front looks okay. regards Andreas

01-26-2010, 05:27 PM	#8
*UQWozza* Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 48 Posts: 505	Re: New Group I would have expected that someone who went to effort of putting their anniversary and campaign medals on these multiple suspensions that they: 1. Put their VoG in the set instead of keeping it separate. 2. At least put their "war" medals before the anniversary ones. At present it is a bit of a dog's breakfast! They are seriously out of order. It may just be the lighting for the picture but the "Prague" looks odd to me. Simon __________________ Stalin to Postyshev: "We give the Order of Lenin to any old shtter" Postyshev's cheerful reply: "The shtters are all approved by you!" From: Stalin - The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore

01-26-2010, 06:58 PM	#9
Eryk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Portland, USA Posts: 320	Re: New Group No opinion to share on the authenticity of any individual award, but an observation. For something so obviously high priced it seems like a good investment as a prospective buyer to spend only a few dollars to get the award card for the individual. Don't really need anything else at this point, as it will verify (or at least give a glimpse into) the authenticity of the group as a whole. (The glimpse refers to sometimes even the archives have typos and inaccuracies. ) As a seller it seems an obvious move as well - get the verification and add it to the sales pitch, then just jack up the price that much. __________________ Steiner: "Why do you want it so badly? It's just a worthless piece of metal. Look."

01-26-2010, 08:47 PM	#10
Auke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Heeten, The Netherlands Posts: 486	Re: New Group Unfortunately the Nevsky is missing from the group...

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