Fake Academy Badges

***Nota Bene*** · 05-28-2002, 06:06 PM

These are very commonly faked. Fakes are usually brand new without any wear traces, made of some sort of white alloy, nice enamel, Soviet crest is quite detailed, shields with academy names are just glued to the badge.

***Tal Inbar*** · 06-06-2002, 08:00 AM

Alexei,

In a genuine badge, how the shields with academy names are attached?

BTW, It is possible to take an authentic badge without a shield and just attach a shield.

Tal

CZ · 06-06-2002, 11:52 AM

Alexei,

so all academy badges with glued on shields are fakes?

Regards from Vienna

***Art*** · 06-06-2002, 04:48 PM

I didnt know what this was until Christian emailed me. I guess it's a submariners academy badge? it's part of the Korean set I have. The shield is attached via the bendable "rivets" (the type of attachments used on Republic Orders before rivets) has a little screwback attachment stamped "Monetny Dvor". It's made very well. Black light checks out, weight is 17.9g, height is 47mm, width is 26mm. Screwpost is approx. 3mm thick.

Note on the doc, there is no marking on the shield. Normal or no? perhaps it was a "one size fits all" approach or is it fake?

***Art*** · 06-06-2002, 04:49 PM

Badge and Doc

***Nota Bene*** · 06-06-2002, 05:13 PM

Art,

They had a standard document for all academies, and your document is perfectly genuine. The badge looks OK too.

Alexei

***Nota Bene*** · 06-06-2002, 05:17 PM

Tal,

Here's the back of an original badge.

I suppose it would be possible to attach a shield to a genuine old badge, but since old badges are not cheap it just makes more sence to make them from the scratch.

Alexei

Quote:

Originally posted by Tal Inbar
Alexei,

In a genuine badge, how the shields with academy names are attached?

BTW, It is possible to take an authentic badge without a shield and just attach a shield.

Tal

***Tal Inbar*** · 06-06-2002, 05:20 PM

Oy!

***Art*** · 06-06-2002, 05:20 PM

My back is similar, however it has a square screwpost base, and the wreath is fastened with a rivet. The sheild is fastened the exact same way though.

Thanks Alexei!

Art

***Nota Bene*** · 06-06-2002, 05:24 PM

Christian,

I was thinking about it, and the answer is no. They have dropped those shields in 1957, and the military was not happy about it so there were some customer made shields attached to badges in different ways.

By the way, Russian collectors think that 64 different official shield variations exist.

Alexei

Quote:

Originally posted by Christian Zulus
Alexei,

so all academy badges with glued on shields are fakes?

Regards from Vienna

06-06-2002, 11:52 AM	#3
CZ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 252	Glued on shields are fakes? Alexei, so all academy badges with glued on shields are fakes? Regards from Vienna

06-06-2002, 04:48 PM	#4
*Art* Generalissimus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 3,458	VVMU Academy Badge I didnt know what this was until Christian emailed me. I guess it's a submariners academy badge? it's part of the Korean set I have. The shield is attached via the bendable "rivets" (the type of attachments used on Republic Orders before rivets) has a little screwback attachment stamped "Monetny Dvor". It's made very well. Black light checks out, weight is 17.9g, height is 47mm, width is 26mm. Screwpost is approx. 3mm thick. Note on the doc, there is no marking on the shield. Normal or no? perhaps it was a "one size fits all" approach or is it fake? __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

06-06-2002, 05:20 PM	#9
*Art* Generalissimus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 3,458	My back is similar, however it has a square screwpost base, and the wreath is fastened with a rivet. The sheild is fastened the exact same way though. Thanks Alexei! Art __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

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*Tal Inbar* Marshal CCCP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 41 Posts: 4,909	Alexei, In a genuine badge, how the shields with academy names are attached? BTW, It is possible to take an authentic badge without a shield and just attach a shield. Tal

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*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 8,376	Art, They had a standard document for all academies, and your document is perfectly genuine. The badge looks OK too. Alexei

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