Soviet Daggers

medaldude · 08-27-2002, 07:51 AM

Hello All,

I know this is a little off topic so please forgive me. Are Soviet era daggers being reproduced? What does one look for to ID the fakes/new production?

Maybe fake is too strong a word? Maybe the former Soviet original makers are still making them with Soviet markings.

Thanks,

Tom

Eugene · 08-27-2002, 09:48 AM

It's so many of them left from soviet time and price is relatively low that doesn't make sense to fake them. It's for basic officers daggers. Those for generals and admirals are more expensive so I wouldn't suprise to see them faked.

***Nota Bene*** · 08-27-2002, 06:08 PM

Tom,

The daggers themselves are not being reproduced, but the bad guys will do anything to make them more attaractive for collectors - I've seen fake award documents, KGB name plaques, presentation boxes, etc.

Alexei

***Tal Inbar*** · 09-07-2002, 09:55 AM

Original presentation dagger has a document. See also the 2 books i posted in the reference materials. BTW, I will LOVE to see this kind of document post in the Paper items section. Anyone?

Tal

***Nota Bene*** · 09-07-2002, 05:28 PM

Tal,

Wow! These are quite rare. Thanks for posting it.

Alexei

new world · 09-07-2002, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by medaldude

Maybe fake is too strong a word? Maybe the former Soviet original makers are still making them with Soviet markings.

Tom,

that can certainly be the case.

Look at this dagger - it has all correct markings - Soviet Crest, Bulat mark, etc. Except for the date - this one was made in 1992, while the Soviet Union ceased to exist as a state in 1991.

I guess they continuued to make Soviet daggers after the breakup of the USSR.

Best,

New World

***Nota Bene*** · 09-07-2002, 08:05 PM

New World,

In 1992 and for some time after that they were still using the old Soviet symbold, so this dagger is an official Russian issue.

Alexei

Timmey · 09-19-2002, 04:06 PM

I have a naval dagger from 1988 and two more from 1991, the two from 1991 have consectutive serial numbers!

rboomsma · 08-26-2003, 10:00 PM

Hello

I have this dagger that was engraved awarding it from a Lieutenant general Bogdanov V.M to Symontchuk G.B

Any thoughts on this Dagger, it is from 1957. I have tried to find out who this general was but have had no luck. Can anyone help me with this, where he served etc???

Thanks

otlichnik · 08-27-2003, 02:51 AM

Your general could be Vasiliy Mkhailovich BOGDANOV. He was a regimental commander from March 1942 to July 1945. During this period he commanded nine different regiments. I don't know his rank but assume he was colonel by 1945 so he could have been a Lt.Gen. in 1957, possibly in retirement.

His commands were:

March 1942 - 1141 Rifle Regiment (341 Rifle Division)
October 1942 - 809 RR (304 RD)
July 1943 - 25 Guards Airborne Regiment (8 GAD)
July 1943 - 21 GAR (9 GAD)
October 1943 - 8 GAR (3 GAD)
May 1944 - 146 GRR (48 GRD)
August 1944 - 221 RR (61 RD)
April 1945 - 91 GRR (33 GRD)
July 1945 - 381 Reserve RR (9 Reserve R Brigade)

Shawn

08-27-2002, 07:51 AM	#1
medaldude Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Porte, IN Age: 58 Posts: 107	Soviet Daggers Hello All, I know this is a little off topic so please forgive me. Are Soviet era daggers being reproduced? What does one look for to ID the fakes/new production? Maybe fake is too strong a word? Maybe the former Soviet original makers are still making them with Soviet markings. Thanks, Tom

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08-27-2002, 09:48 AM	#2
Eugene Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NY,NY Posts: 375	It's so many of them left from soviet time and price is relatively low that doesn't make sense to fake them. It's for basic officers daggers. Those for generals and admirals are more expensive so I wouldn't suprise to see them faked.

08-27-2002, 06:08 PM	#3
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 7,185	Tom, The daggers themselves are not being reproduced, but the bad guys will do anything to make them more attaractive for collectors - I've seen fake award documents, KGB name plaques, presentation boxes, etc. Alexei

09-07-2002, 05:28 PM	#5
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 7,185	Tal, Wow! These are quite rare. Thanks for posting it. Alexei

09-07-2002, 08:05 PM	#7
*Nota Bene* Super Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 7,185	New World, In 1992 and for some time after that they were still using the old Soviet symbold, so this dagger is an official Russian issue. Alexei

09-19-2002, 04:06 PM	#8
Timmey Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio USA Age: 44 Posts: 37	I have a naval dagger from 1988 and two more from 1991, the two from 1991 have consectutive serial numbers!

08-27-2003, 02:51 AM	#10
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Currently in Bosnia Age: 41 Posts: 856	Your general could be Vasiliy Mkhailovich BOGDANOV. He was a regimental commander from March 1942 to July 1945. During this period he commanded nine different regiments. I don't know his rank but assume he was colonel by 1945 so he could have been a Lt.Gen. in 1957, possibly in retirement. His commands were: March 1942 - 1141 Rifle Regiment (341 Rifle Division) October 1942 - 809 RR (304 RD) July 1943 - 25 Guards Airborne Regiment (8 GAD) July 1943 - 21 GAR (9 GAD) October 1943 - 8 GAR (3 GAD) May 1944 - 146 GRR (48 GRD) August 1944 - 221 RR (61 RD) April 1945 - 91 GRR (33 GRD) July 1945 - 381 Reserve RR (9 Reserve R Brigade) Shawn

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