Russian Imperial Dagger - Page 2

***Aharim*** · 06-15-2007, 12:35 AM

I saw one of those about 13 - 15 years ago. Set up was the same george in/on handle, Ann on plate on side. I do not remember a date on the back of the plate but there was an inscription on the blade rather than frou-frou. Inscripion included date of March 1916. Date on reverse of plate for the dagger here appears to be 1916. Dual award is rare. *if real* afterall when was the last one I saw? For that other one, doing research I found there was a series of engagements in the black sea in March 1916 for which daggers would/could have been awarded but it would have been nearly impossible to confirm exactly which one that dagger represented. So, regretably, I didn't take it.

Deemas · 10-05-2007, 03:44 AM

The first one is fake for sure, second is unquestionable item-good. First in that complectation very strange, and if it's original- price will be more than 20000 US. I don't know collectors market in USA, but I know the prices in Russia for that kind of items. When I\am walking by some Collectors Show, I' am looking how quick the items migrate back to the USSR from Europe and USA also.

miphuhiz · 03-10-2008, 05:27 AM

Good morning.
I would like to know what do You think about this dress dagger. Somebody said that this dagger comes from Imrerial Russia, but i don't know

Jeffrey Meffert · 03-10-2008, 08:46 AM

The answer is in the mint mark on one side of the blade. I know it's hard to take good pictures of shiny silver things. Perhaps if you laid it on a flatbed scanner.
I would guess dagger for a fire department dress uniform. Not just because of the flame spitting dragon but because the way the hilt recapitulates a fireman's axe.

Al-muell · 03-10-2008, 09:24 AM

I would risk a statement, that this dagger shows some german influence.
If for some reason it is belived to be russian (mark, russian letters etc.) then it could be bulgarian for example. However, that ornament on hilt looks a bit crude, maybe too crude to be something official?

miphuhiz · 03-12-2008, 06:38 AM

Many thanks for Your post.
I'm sure that this dress dagger come from Russia, but I don't know wheter it is autentic

I send You more photos.

miphuhiz · 03-12-2008, 06:41 AM

once more

Jeffrey Meffert · 03-12-2008, 08:48 AM

Although in this forum we tend to look at the double headed eagle as a Russian eagle or Romanov eagle, in fact, it is also a Hapsburg eagle (they were all related anyway). It looks like a 1911 or 1914 mint mark but I think it may hail from the Austro-Hungarian Empire rather than the Tsar.

Lapa · 03-12-2008, 10:51 AM

Miphuhiz,

Could you make a pencil rubbing on a piece of paper of the mark on the blade, and then scan the rubbing; it should be clearer.

Marc

miphuhiz · 03-13-2008, 02:28 PM

Many thanks for Your help.
Maybe this photo will be better

06-15-2007, 12:35 AM	#11
*Aharim* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Washington DC (aka Disneyworld North) Posts: 205	Dual award dagger I saw one of those about 13 - 15 years ago. Set up was the same george in/on handle, Ann on plate on side. I do not remember a date on the back of the plate but there was an inscription on the blade rather than frou-frou. Inscripion included date of March 1916. Date on reverse of plate for the dagger here appears to be 1916. Dual award is rare. if real afterall when was the last one I saw? For that other one, doing research I found there was a series of engagements in the black sea in March 1916 for which daggers would/could have been awarded but it would have been nearly impossible to confirm exactly which one that dagger represented. So, regretably, I didn't take it.

03-10-2008, 08:46 AM	#14
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 452	If so, not military The answer is in the mint mark on one side of the blade. I know it's hard to take good pictures of shiny silver things. Perhaps if you laid it on a flatbed scanner. I would guess dagger for a fire department dress uniform. Not just because of the flame spitting dragon but because the way the hilt recapitulates a fireman's axe.

03-12-2008, 08:48 AM	#18
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 452	About that eagle Although in this forum we tend to look at the double headed eagle as a Russian eagle or Romanov eagle, in fact, it is also a Hapsburg eagle (they were all related anyway). It looks like a 1911 or 1914 mint mark but I think it may hail from the Austro-Hungarian Empire rather than the Tsar. Last edited by Jeffrey Meffert; 03-12-2008 at 08:50 AM. Reason: english

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10-05-2007, 03:44 AM	#12
Deemas New Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Headquarter of KBF Posts: 12	The first one is fake for sure, second is unquestionable item-good. First in that complectation very strange, and if it's original- price will be more than 20000 US. I don't know collectors market in USA, but I know the prices in Russia for that kind of items. When I\am walking by some Collectors Show, I' am looking how quick the items migrate back to the USSR from Europe and USA also.

03-10-2008, 09:24 AM	#15
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 764	I would risk a statement, that this dagger shows some german influence. If for some reason it is belived to be russian (mark, russian letters etc.) then it could be bulgarian for example. However, that ornament on hilt looks a bit crude, maybe too crude to be something official?

03-12-2008, 10:51 AM	#19
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 47 Posts: 3,482	Miphuhiz, Could you make a pencil rubbing on a piece of paper of the mark on the blade, and then scan the rubbing; it should be clearer. Marc

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