Edits to Mekhonoshin’s book or new badges

[Aharim]

Attached - picture of Estonian Badge from 7th convocation with light blue opaque enamel. All badges that I have seen from that convocation were opaque and light blue. This variation is not shown in M and Likhitsky only showed reverse in his book. Bagde marked TJ 7

[Aharim]

Abkhazi TsIK badges 1.4, 1.5, and 1.6. Does anyone else have one of those? M says that his pictures and inclusion are based on a single badge (of each) and he doesn't show 1.6. He also says that since he has only seen one of each they might possibly be proof samples!

Does anyone else have one of any of those so we could confirm that there are more than one of each? Which would be better, having an "only" proof or having one of 150, many of which would have been lost in the "relocations." During the 30's when Beria was in charge of the party in the Caucasas the population of Abkhazi in Abkhazia decreased, to be offset by relocation of other peoples into Abkhazia.

Meanwhile, I am editing (shrinking) the pictures and will show all three shortly, maybe by Monday. (More on proofs related to Nahkchevan to follow.)

[Aharim]

Abkhazia CEK badges 1.4, 1.5, and 1.6

For 1.4 on badge shown here, enamel seems to cover period after first "C" in ASSPA around star, which is not the case for badge in the book. That would indicate there is more than one badge?

Badge 1.5 here "may" be the badge in the book. There is a minor scratch where the handle of the hammer crosses the blade of the sickle which shows in the picture in the book. There is a minor enamel scratch at approx 10 o'clock from the a' on the second line which also shows in the book. But the ball on the staff looks different.

The difference between 1.5 and 1.6 shown from the obverse is ball on the staff versus rounded top. Most of the differences are like Ukraine 2.1 and 2.2 (where the diffence is the material for the screw on the reverse). Similarly, here 1.6 has polished reverse and what appears to be a silver screw, while 1.5 has rough reverse like on red Tuva badge TAP from the 1940's and bronze/brass screw.

[Aharim]

I don't want you to think I am being critical of, or putting down the book. This is merely constructive editing, making sure what was described in matched by what exists and questioning differences or filling in blanks. I transcribed his charts to a database which consist of some 558 different badges, (if you include mint mark variations) and so far have described one or two questioned facts.

I had previously written more than 130 pages of text descriptions and assumed if I published I would likely have had significantly more errors that I have found here.

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Meanwhile, just to make sure all badges previously included in other strings are also linked here, I have linked the late Moldavian/Moldovan badges string.

The Blue/Yellow/Red badge for Deputat RSSM is properly the 12th Convocation. M stated that he did not include because of difficulty in confirmation which was probably caused by his also having seen that Nestriana badge still in green and red. (The PMN [Nestriana] badge came from the same source as the People's Deputy but the source did not know what the distinction was or what it represented.)

Late Moldavian SSR/Moldovan Badges

Including the People's Deputy for Moldavia that should make 13 additional badges at least 5 of which have blanks in the book.

[Aharim]

I posted Moldovan to give me enough to time research Dagestan further.

The variations in bronze Abkhazi badges reminded me of variations in Dagestan as well. Attached here are two additional Dagestani CEK badges, one in Silver one in Bronze. The bronze badge is with polished reverse no marks. The silver badge is marked PYe (that is ПЭ)along with worker and 875 and interestingly "a" for Leningrad. Postnikova-Loseva does not show any PYe in the 1927 - 1954 period.

Because it is marked 875 it is not believed to be 1.1. It should not be the first badge because it post dates 1927. I have seen this symbol several times on different badges for several republics from the mid-late 30's.

These badges differ from those shown in that they do not have a round edge for the Sun from which rays emanate. Rays under "Dag" match such that both badges were likely made by the same unknown maker. Light areas on the bronze badge are caused by having taken the picture out doors under an umbrella when the sun came out.

[Aharim]

The Dagestan issue of multiple badges that look almost the same also applies to Belarus. Belarus 1.1 is described as currently not able to confirm. That may be because there are at least two known sizes for badges of that design. Badges have been seen with dimensions of 13.5mm x 27mm and larger at approximately 17mm x 34mm. Similarly size (as well as proof mark) is a key determinant of the difference between Tadjik badges 1.3 and 1.4.

There is similarly a variant based on size of German Villages Supreme Soviet which is believed to be a duplicate or replacement "of the era" rather than later copy.

But it doesn't do much to show more badges of the same design as already included, just differing in size.

I'll come back later to show more badges. Its time to address documents.

[Aharim]

M shows 94 or 95 differnt documents based on Republic and Convocation. But from review of data of number of republics and convocations of each as he identifies there should be more than 550 total.

That does not address the fact that there are separate documents for each republic and convocation for the Presidium of said republic and convocation. That would make an additional 550 documents.

I will not be posting those missing 1,000 documents. But from the basic document it is possible to tell if you happen to get lucky and obtain the badge or book of a Chairman of a Soviet.

The Chairman's document is signed by the deputy chairman, who usually notes that fact with a "za" in front of the title Chairman (as in "For the Chairman").

Below are two documents for Mari 2nd Convocation. The first is document No. 12 signed by Chairman Ryabchikov. The second document No. 19 is that of Comrade Ryabchikov signed by the Deputy Chairman. (Ryabchikov is also included in M's documents for the 4th Convocation but he was not chairman then.)

Check your documents to see if you happen to have gotten lucky!

[ZoZlo]

Aharim, I Think You Should Write New Book About Supreme Badges As Author..., What You Think?

[Aharim]

Comrade "M" beat me to it with better data (charts et al) than I could do from my location. I am a student of the nationalities and wanted the badges to learn/demonstrate the history of the "peoples." You can tell the history of the peoples by the badges. Change of text/language tells of end of localization (1928 - 1939) and return to localization (1959 - 1963), liquidation of republic, re-establishment of republic. Its all in the badges.

I actually have written (as I mentioned somewhere in a post) 130+ pages of text with descriptions of the nationalities who, what, where, why the changes etc. as if to Western readers who would have no clue what a Mordvin was much less that the Southern Osettians reputedly spoke Iron Osetian but that the language had apparently died out as separate by the 1940's - 50's! (If I do not write a book I should at least get Doctor of Soviet Peoples!)

Think of this string as my book "For the People," for which copyright would be claimed so please do not use my badges against me. Cite Aharim.

And, Zozlo, from Ukraine, here is one for you.

Next I am adding documents for Member and his document for Presidium, Krim, ASSR!

Three scans, first both documents together - but too small to read
Second - Presidium
Third - Member

As I stated previously, there would be similar documents for every Soviet and every Convocation.

[ZoZlo]

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